tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post1015067214631118699..comments2024-01-01T21:31:27.654-08:00Comments on UNCLE EDDIE'S THEORY CORNER: RUBE GOLDBERG: GENIUSEddie Fitzgeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-11694048283877185822011-07-10T15:10:37.935-07:002011-07-10T15:10:37.935-07:00I married into a set of the Famous Artists Cartoon...I married into a set of the Famous Artists Cartoon Course 44 years ago, with all the Rube Goldberg, Caniff, Haenigsen, etc. art. Wife deceased as of last fall, but I'm hanging onto several of her own charming cat comic strips. And one of my favorite Rube Goldberg series is FOOLISH QUESTIONS. The questions aren't particularly funny, but the replies are hilarious! Somebody has just reprinted the 1907 book. JoeJoe Wehrle, Jr.http://www.wehrleportraits.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-41551787377668249772007-10-30T08:28:00.000-07:002007-10-30T08:28:00.000-07:00I am learning about famous people in school and I ...I am learning about famous people in school and I chose to look up him He is amazing I love all of rubes pictures they are so interesting<BR/><BR/>-amy r.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-53420249256055062632007-03-23T08:05:00.000-07:002007-03-23T08:05:00.000-07:00Kent: Maybe Rube's Golden Age extended into the mi...Kent: Maybe Rube's Golden Age extended into the mid or even late 20s. I'm not sure.<BR/><BR/>Lester, Kent: I'm a believer in golden and dark ages. It implies a value judgement but I don't think that's wrong. We can always change our minds if new information about those times comes to light.<BR/><BR/>Jenny: Lol! An interesting list!Have you ever read Otto Bettman's "The Good-Old Days: They Were Terrible!"? He put up similar lists.<BR/><BR/>Until a short time ago I also regarded Goldberg's style as primitive but I don't anymore. Mutt and Jeff only had a brief creative period but Goldberg's lasted for almost two decades. I think the reason was that Goldberg was more analytic, more thought out. In his best period (before 1930) Goldberg was a thinking man's artist disguised as a primitive one.<BR/><BR/>Anon: Spiegalman seems over-rated to me, though I did like his idea of silkscreening Panter's cover for Raw #1. I don't know if he's the kind of monster Rall made him out to be but it's not impossible. Rall had a lot of courage to print what he did.<BR/><BR/>Shawn: I'll put up more Goldberg sometime soon!Eddie Fitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-51275609428233521192007-03-22T18:09:00.000-07:002007-03-22T18:09:00.000-07:00Something mentioned in the Famous Artists School C...Something mentioned in the Famous Artists School Cartooning course, Rube Goldberg is the source of the way we use the term "Baloney" as illustrated in the third strip posted.Andreashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13584746273156316675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-18833565493893446002007-03-22T17:52:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:52:00.000-07:00I find it hard to believe that these were once all...I find it hard to believe that these were once all just sitting in newspapers, probably taken for granted every Sunday. They really are funny, insightful, and artistic. To me, unable to put myself in the perspective of a time when these were in newspapers, believe this kind of cartooning only exists in textbooks and museums. As if they were not originally made to solely entertain.Max Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301632532479439366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-12042493342918209282007-03-22T17:41:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:41:00.000-07:00what do you think of the feud between Ted Rall and...what do you think of the feud between Ted Rall and Art Spiegalman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-57275210546521653382007-03-22T17:18:00.000-07:002007-03-22T17:18:00.000-07:00Wow, Eddie, that is really great cartooning! I nee...Wow, Eddie, that is really great cartooning! I need to seek out more of his strips! I love it!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Jenny and Kent, I think when people are on the subject of "the good old days" in these blogs, they are mostly reguarding the subject of cartooning or entertainment from the good old days--probably not about life in general. If folks from the 1930's were nostalgic for comic strips from 1901 or 19th century, that doesn't necessarily mean they would also be nostalgic for hardship times they were forced to endure before they had the benefits Jenny mentioned (telephones/telegraphs, motors, running hot water, indoor plumbing..etc..)--Jenny, you're right..they were most likely incredibly optimistic (and greatful) for how their lives and times had changed for the better by the 1930's..However, I could still imagine there would be folks who missed the style of entertainment or comics from 20-30 years earlier. I can tend to be a curmudgeon (as well as John or Mike) about media, arts, comics, architecture and so on--prefering those things from the 1920's, 30's & 40's...but, I wouldn't say I'm nostalgic for EVERYTHING those times brought. I'll say we are all blessed that we never had to starve during the Great Depression, or WWII; we have much more leisure time today than ever before (we don't even need to walk to the Library anymore..I can sit on my lazy ass in front of the computer to find anything I want)...but I still love how things LOOKED back then, moreso than anything today. Maybe people back then felt the same way, while still counting their blessings.Shawn Dickinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489620525595098628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-25122169557857504392007-03-22T16:28:00.000-07:002007-03-22T16:28:00.000-07:00Goldberg had a long and varied career. In his late...Goldberg had a long and varied career. In his later years, he became an editorial cartoonist and won Pulitzers for his work. His work on the Famous Artists Course was invaluable. He didn't go downhill by any means, though you might prefer one type of his work better than another.<BR/><BR/>See ya<BR/>SteveStephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-22616803277125641292007-03-22T15:56:00.000-07:002007-03-22T15:56:00.000-07:00Thanks for posting these Eddie! I've never seen t...Thanks for posting these Eddie! I've never seen this early Rube Goldberg work before. I like the first two cartoons the best.Marc Deckterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15917697016899142228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-79808176298435916122007-03-22T14:04:00.000-07:002007-03-22T14:04:00.000-07:00Eddie: I had always wanted to see his other works....Eddie: I had always wanted to see his other works. Like you said at the beginning, I've only seen his machine drawings. They are funny.<BR/><BR/>This is a silly question, I know, have you done any comic strips?<BR/><BR/>I'd like see your thinking process in making cartoons. If you wouldn't mind, that is. Like John did in his post. <BR/><BR/>I could see what his thinking process was by studying his notes and viewing the cartoons at the same time. It helped me understand a little better. <BR/><BR/>John said in his post and in your's, that you are gifted in writing cartoons. I was just wondering what you did to come up with ideas for cartoons.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/>A.B. WinegarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-1091325210016917452007-03-22T13:46:00.000-07:002007-03-22T13:46:00.000-07:00...and another thing(!):Goldberg and the many many......and <B>another</B> thing(!):<BR/><BR/>Goldberg and the many many cartoonists like him had thousands of forums to be published and funny whilst not being "slick" artists at all. <BR/><BR/>There were the exquisitely skilled, polished cartoonists/illustrators a la McCay and Nast, Frost, Sullivant--etc.--but three was <I>also</I> in the early 1900s-1920s room for a Goldberg or a bunch of other "Mutt & Jeff"-style guys with a more crude style that suited their POV perfectly.<BR/><BR/>(Now we just get poor drawing, in the "funnies", it seesm--for the most part.)Jenny Lerewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06668171465801333811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-74569386553167906832007-03-22T13:40:00.000-07:002007-03-22T13:40:00.000-07:00You know what? I think(seriously)that people in t...You know what? I think(seriously)that people in the 1890s(when this picture was taken, I believe)<I>didn't</I> gripe about the "good old days". As much of a human impulse as it is to be nostalgic, it was in this period--the Belle Epoque(or whatever)of the USA that generally there was tremendous optimism. People were well aware of the incredible wonder and advantages they had with: telephones/telegraphs, motors(as in nascent cars), running hot water, indoor plumbing(whch not everyone had by any means even by 1901), good free education for the young, plentiful industry, availability of food, entirely new things like canned food and Coca-cola w/cocaine, certain modern convieniences...it goes on & on. Finally there was for the burgeoning middle class a real possibility of home ownership and decent leisure time for families like the Goldbergs here, to enjoy life more & have FUN.<BR/><BR/> Far from what we'd think of as perfect(the Triangle factory fire and events like that--well, there were loads of troubles of course with labour and union-busting and exploitation), of course...but I cannot really imagine, nor have I read, of a 1900 man complaining that things were <I>better</I> 20 years earlier. Life was so hard for americans in the 18th century.<BR/>{<I>see what a bore I can be, Kent?</I>} ; DJenny Lerewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06668171465801333811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-81467613820098855862007-03-22T12:11:00.000-07:002007-03-22T12:11:00.000-07:00Kent B., what Eddie is saying is that Goldberg's G...Kent B., what Eddie is saying is that Goldberg's Golden Age was 1904-1917. I don't think he is saying animation was better in 1904-1917, but Newspaper Com ic Strips. But even so, Comic Strips from the 1930s ARE a hell of a lot better than today's. I mean, compare Popeye to Garfield.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-66165189023485541132007-03-22T11:32:00.000-07:002007-03-22T11:32:00.000-07:00"In Goldberg's "Golden Age" people probably whined..."In Goldberg's "Golden Age" people probably whined about how everything was crap, and everything was so much better back in the 1890s."<BR/><BR/>Yes, we can find people back in the good ol' days looking back nostalgically to the even better, older days, which does seem silly. But this doesn't necessarily mean that we humans have an incurable tendency to whine. (Actually, we do, but I don't think this is the reason.) I think art and entertainment tend to have cycles, just like the stock market. Looking back to late 'fifties TV, when I Love Lucy, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and The Twilight Zone were all running, it seems like a Golden Age. And it was, but there have been more Golden Ages, and more Dark Ages since then. It's probably often true that things are worse than they used to be. Whether it is true depends on whether you're sitting on a peak or down in a slump.Lester Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14746157071827337723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-33675976585000268242007-03-22T10:13:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:13:00.000-07:00Hey- wait maybe that is the mom!Hey- wait maybe that <I>is</I> the mom!Kali Fontecchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203562437910689569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-73866482949246466292007-03-22T10:02:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:02:00.000-07:00Rube's family is probably smiling because they jus...Rube's family is probably smiling because they just ate the mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-7050394220493511132007-03-22T09:53:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:53:00.000-07:00Eddie, it's funny that you say Goldberg's "Golden ...Eddie, it's funny that you say Goldberg's "Golden Age" was from 1904-1917. So in the '30s, people would be saying how "bad" cartoons were in their present time, they were so much better 30 years ago. It reminds me of how we all whine about how everything was better in the '40s and '50s - and it's all crap today. <BR/><BR/>Now the thing is - it's probably all true! In Goldberg's "Golden Age" people probably whined about how everything was crap, and everything was so much better back in the 1890s.Kent Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11737362545673892485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-8990155978833801512007-03-22T09:50:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:50:00.000-07:00Funny stuff, thank you EDDDDDIE FIIIITTTTZZZGERAL...Funny stuff, thank you EDDDDDIE FIIIITTTTZZZGERALLDLDLDLDLD!!!Kali Fontecchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203562437910689569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-76235412014867905852007-03-22T09:38:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:38:00.000-07:00Rube Goldberg was from San Francisco, a fact that ...Rube Goldberg was from San Francisco, a fact that Herb Caen sometimes referred to in his column when I was kid. Only knowing the pictures of the machines, I sorta wondered why he seemed to be busting with pride when he said that... Now I know! (They both worked for the Chronicle, though of course at different times.) Thanks for the education, Eddie! My slow creep toward enlightenment continues!Lester Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14746157071827337723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-42644683462125456932007-03-22T07:51:00.000-07:002007-03-22T07:51:00.000-07:00Wow, I just learned something today! I thought tha...Wow, I just learned something today! I thought that Rube Goldberg was an inventor of crazy things. I didn't even know he was an animator!<BR/><BR/>I love that family portrait. Portraits of that era are so serious or melancholy, and this one is a great exception. The Goldberg family looks like a family that likes to have fun.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03850276613969680391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-12770445915962748492007-03-22T01:12:00.000-07:002007-03-22T01:12:00.000-07:00Jenny: Seeing Goldberg's family portrait makes me ...Jenny: Seeing Goldberg's family portrait makes me understand why you collect things like that. The best examples are incredibly inspiring!<BR/><BR/>Steve: Those pages aren't from Goldberg's golden age which spans (I'm guessing) from 1904 to 1917, but they're still well worth reading. Thanks for the great link!Eddie Fitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-27790311746777542007-03-22T00:55:00.000-07:002007-03-22T00:55:00.000-07:00Here's a whole pile of Rube Goldberg Sunday pages....<A HREF="http://www.animationarchive.org/2006/10/media-rube-goldbergs-side-show.html" REL="nofollow">Here's a whole pile of Rube Goldberg Sunday pages.</A><BR/><BR/>See ya<BR/>SteveStephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-31968159726774710282007-03-22T00:04:00.000-07:002007-03-22T00:04:00.000-07:00Hee...very fun stuff! I collect photographs from t...Hee...very fun stuff!<BR/> I collect photographs from this era; when possible I try for the most candid and expressive ones I can find--and it ain't easy as it was expensive(generally)to have a picture taken. People were usually formally dressed up <I>and</I> had to hold very still, precluding a lot of spontaneous merriment.<BR/>A family group like this is a real exception...it's just fantastic. I love the Goldbergs! : )<BR/><BR/>Yeah, and his drawings are neat too.Jenny Lerewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06668171465801333811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28525168.post-57265478069673263462007-03-22T00:00:00.000-07:002007-03-22T00:00:00.000-07:00I love Rube Goldberg's drawings in the Famous Arti...I love Rube Goldberg's drawings in the Famous Artists School cartooning course. I hadn't known anything about him before I picked up a copy of the course. There is one in there where he drew a student getting his diploma with one hand, and holding a caricature of the dean behind his back in the other. Great humor. Great political cartoonist too. Thanks for sharing so much gold with us humble mortals.Andreashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13584746273156316675noreply@blogger.com