Friday, August 08, 2008
MILT'S CLAMPETT ARTICLE (CONCLUSION)
An awful lot of Theory Corner people also read John K's blog, so I'll assume that people here are familiar with the excellent article, "Milt Gray on Clampett" that was serialized there recently. If you're not, then try the June 3 and May 12 installments at http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/
Anyway, if you're like me you were frustrated beyond endurance when John wasn't able to run the final installment. He just didn't have time. Well, I have time, so here it is, complete with pictures chosen by the author. It's a preeeety interesting piece, something that oughta stir things up a bit. Enjoy!
MILT GRAY ON CLAMPETT (CONCLUSION)
In 1941 Bob is finally rewarded for his successes -- he is given the best color unit when Tex Avery leaves to go to M-G-M. Bob’s first cartoons are completing the cartoons that Tex had begun. Since it takes about nine months to complete a single cartoon, and a cartoon is in each stage of production (story, design and recording, layout, animation, inbetweening, etc.) only about five to six weeks, that means that each director has at least a half dozen cartoons in production at any given time, each one in a different stage of production. So Bob inherited several Avery-created cartoons, which share Avery’s and Bob’s sensibilities to some degree. But once Bob begins cartoons created entirely by himself, he sets a level of creativity and originality that has never been equaled. Every Clampett Warner cartoon from this time on is a unique new subject. On those rare occasions that Clampett does use an established formula -- like Bugs racing the tortoise -- he adds some really over-the-top elements that lift the cartoon(s) to a whole new level.
Clampett was always reaching for the new and unexpected, and not just copying things that were well done before. He was always focused not only on fresh subjects, but also on eccentric (and precise) acting, and visual surprises for the audience. He was, in his heart, an enthusiastic entertainer.
He never took the easy way, and his animators had to share his ambition or be replaced by someone who was eager to do his very best. For example, Virgil Ross, an excellent animator, admitted many years later that although he liked Bob and admired his work, he just wasn’t willing to do all the ambitious things that Bob always asked for, and so Virgil volunteered to be traded into the Freleng unit where the standards were much lower and the work much easier.
The only other director at Warners to come close to Bob’s level of energy was Frank Tashlin, on his third stint at the Schlesinger Studio, from about 1942 to 1944. Friz and Chuck struggled to try to keep up, and were extremely relieved when Bob left Warners to pursue an independent career. In Bob’s absence, the energy in the Warner cartoons quickly dissipated, as Friz and Chuck relaxed by making mostly cartoons in which the characters just stand around and talk (like Duck, Rabbit, Duck).
Chuck Jones once commented on the Clampett cartoons: “Most filmmakers pace their films by starting with a relaxed tempo, introducing the characters, and then gradually increase the tempo until they reach the climax on a high crescendo. But Bob Clampett was different. Bob would start his films at the top -- and from there he would go up!”
I think one of the biggest reasons that Clampett has so seldom gotten the recognition he deserves, especially for his 1940s Warner cartoons, is that critics and cartoon historians (including myself) have been largely unable to even describe in words what Clampett excelled at. By contrast, Friz and Chuck were primarily concerned with “respectability”, and so whatever the “rules” of filmmaking were -- which were already described in words in books and magazine articles even by the mid 1930s, and therefore ready-made for critics and historians to reference -- Friz and Chuck were anxious to adhere to. Plus, Friz and Chuck were focused on a linear exposition of story structure, with dialog that defined character -- which is also easy for critics and historians to write about. Clampett was certainly aware of these “rules”, but did not make himself a slave to them. Instead, Clampett was much more of an innovator, and his innovations were largely in the visceral areas of expressive movement, and the use of color, sound and cutting, that convey or resonate emotions in non-literal, purely intuitive ways. He let himself be guided by his emotions as much as by his intellect. These are the things that make movies powerful, and unique from books (or even comic books), but they are almost impossible for critics or historians to describe in words. As a consequence, these achievements that Clampett excelled in are almost never written about, while the works of Chuck and Friz are easy to describe and to praise. This, then, has left Clampett relatively defenseless against Chuck’s smug accusations that “Clampett was an irresponsible renegade who never followed the rules.” Frankly, the “rules” are for beginners. =
[That's the end of the article, but you might be interested in a couple of captions Milt wrote for the final five pictures. Check them out below].
CAPTIONS:
About the pictures of Porky and the cats on the doorstep, Milt writes: "From Kitty Kornered: Clampett anticipates color with color: The open door is yellow, reflecting the warm light inside the house; the closed door is white, reflecting the cold light of the winter snow; but the inbetween door is green -- giving an extra snap to the changes of color."
About the final two pictures where the cat bashes into the closed door, Milt writes: "From Kitty Kornered: Two successive frames within the same scene: As the cat leaps at the door, the background changes perspective for additional impact to our senses."
Hmmm... I don't think Gray's view of Jones and Freleng attempting to "keep up with" Clampett and setting lower standards is true at all. As I understand it, each director had their own standards of what they considered to constitute a good cartoon and there no real competition to see who could top each other. In fact, didn't each unit actually contribute to each others films in the storyboard sessions? Besides, both Jones and Freleng achieved things in their films that Clampett didn't.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Eddie! I've been waiting for another Bob Clampett post. Now how about a post about some of your personal experiences with Clampett? Or how about bringin' back The Smoker?
ReplyDeleteOh my God, you sated a desire I had long forgot about!
ReplyDeleteThanks a billion, Eddie!
- trevor.
thanks!
ReplyDeleteI think another reason why there was so little information on Clampett is because of Leon selling all of the pre-1948 cartoons to A.A.P.
ReplyDeleteI remember, growing up, that all the networks ran cartoons by Chuck, McKimson and Friz, but if I saw anything by Clampett, Avery or Tashlin, it was on a local or syndicated channel.
Fortunately, by the time Roger Rabbit came out, there seemed to be more of an interest in 40's cartoons, and you saw video collections doing packages on 'The Golden Age'; plus Looney Tunes on Nickelodeon played Bosko shorts ( ad nauseam ) and occasionally threw an Avery or Tashlin in there.
What really sealed it for me, though, was seeing the movie 'Bugs Bunny Superstar' in which Clampett hosted and played nothing BUT 30's and 40's cartoons. That really was the first step in making me a Clampett fan at age nine.
Thanks again for posting this, Eddie. Could you tell us some of your favorite Clampett stories from working with him?
Beeeoh-whip!
- trevor.
"...Instead, Clampett was much more of an innovator, and his innovations were largely in the visceral areas of expressive movement, and the use of color, sound and cutting, that convey or resonate emotions in non-literal, purely intuitive ways. He let himself be guided by his emotions as much as by his intellect. These are the things that make movies powerful, and unique from books (or even comic books), but they are almost impossible for critics or historians to describe in words."
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess it would take a cartoonist who is also a critic and historian to properly judge Bob Clampett.
(Of course, that would be Milt Gray.)
your worked with CLAMPETT??
ReplyDeleteyou should do a fancy post about your experiences with Clampett and Bakshi and god knows who else.
That's right, Thornhill. I got mixed up.
ReplyDeleteHe sold the characters and the names 'Looney Tunes' and 'Merrie Melodies' to Warner Bros. in, I believe, '45 or '46, right?
Also, I don't obsess about this ( in fact, I try not to think about it at all ), but the Chuck vs. Bob argument definitely gets skewed by people who like Chuck more than Bob and people who like Bob more than Chuck. But the facts are there.
When Eddie Selzer took over as producer to the cartoon department, Chuck and Friz realized that they no longer had a producer they disrespected telling them to be more like Avery and Clampett, now they just had a producer they disrespected period.... and for good reason.
Chuck severely down-plays Clampett's talents and also tells a different story about his own early cartoons. He says that 'The Draft Horse' was his 'revelation' to making funny cartoons, and said that he went to the theatre and saw the audience laugh and changed his mind.
What he leaves out is that those jokes were there in the first place because Schlesinger kept pestering him to make the cartoons funny like Avery and Clampett ( 'Put in lotstha joketh, fellath, joketh are funny!" ).
Chuck wrote two books about his cartoons at Warners and doesn't mention Bob once.
But Nick's right about the directors sitting in on each other's story sessions. In fact, Chuck's famous 'Yes Session' is basically a re-naming of Clampett's 'No-no Session'.
Chuck was a sweetheart, a superb draftsman ( something he has over Clampett... Chuck did his own character layouts, Bob's were done by Tom McKimson ) and a true innovator, but he also took full advantage of the fact that no one knew who this person he was jealous of was.
When I talked to him about the early Schlesinger years he mentioned every director except Clampett ( even Jack King ) and when I brought him up he said "Yeah, and did you know Tashlin became a live action director?"
It's kind of sad, and I don't know what happened between them. And it's not that he didn't like cartooniness because Chuck worshipped the ground Avery walked on.
Anyway, sorry to ramble on like this. It's just a shame to know that two of my favorite directors were at odds, but you can definitely see it if you observe the evidence.
If you have a chance, come read about My Conversation With Chuck Jones.
Thanks for reading my ramblings everyone!
- trevor.
PS: Eddie, did Bob ever say anything memorable to you about Chuck, good or bad?
"Hmmm... I don't think Gray's view of Jones and Freleng attempting to "keep up with" Clampett and setting lower standards is true at all."
ReplyDeleteThat's because you don't understand it. You also omit the fact that he has corroboration from one of Clampett's own animators. It's okay to like all the Warner's directors but don't let that alter reality for you.
Clampett himself has noted the competitive aspect of working in units. Not that it was necessarily cutthroat, but it did exist. It exists in a friendly card game. Why not in an animation studio?
What makes people so ready to insubstantially second-guess a guy who knows something they don't?
"He never took the easy way..."
ReplyDeleteI guess that's why Clampett did remakes, and reused animation and footage more than any other director at Warners.
I'm off topic, but I've been thinking about the xerox era of animation, where clean-ups skipped the inking phase and were directly xeroxed onto the cel for opaque-ing, (evident in the mid-60's Marvel super-hero cartoons all the way to Bakshi's Fire and Ice--or so it would appear). There is a certain quality there, and evinces a sketchier, feathery line... This seems something open for an insider satire, and of course, is today really an outmoded method of cutting back your labor costs, no? I imagine most animators, as their namesake would affirm, abhor those old clunky Marvel cartoons from '65, and even Doug Wildley's Johnney Quest, where they made sacrafices of dynamic animation to retain more information or texture on their moving subjects, that is, keep them close to the appearence of their comicbook source... what's yer thinking Uncle Ed?
ReplyDeleteI remember, growing up, that all the networks ran cartoons by Chuck, McKimson and Friz, but if I saw anything by Clampett, Avery or Tashlin, it was on a local or syndicated channel.
ReplyDeleteI second Trevor's account of the reasons for the lack of praise for Clampett's cartoons. I remember how hard it was to see the pre-'48 cartoons on TV. If you didn't have a local UHF station that aired them you didn't see them. I met many people my own age who had never seen any of those 40's cartoons. They lived in smaller towns and didn't have the reception to tune into the UHF station. They only knew the Looney Tunes from the 50's, where Chuck Jones was obviously the best director of the bunch.
I want to hear your Clampett stories.
ReplyDeleteI've got my own Bakshi stories...No thanks.
Anon: Clampett said he did redos so he could devote more time to the really innovative cartoons, and I see no reason to doubt that.
ReplyDeleteRudy: I'm not a fan of Johnny Quest but it had lots to recommend it and I can see why it was popular. Maybe the storytelling wasn't stylized enough for me.
ReplyDeletePhantom, Cwyatt: OK, I'll put up my Clampett stories sometime soon!
First of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EDDIE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TYPE AND POST THIS VALUABLE ARTICLE FOR US TO SEE!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAbout the pre-`48 library: when I was a kid Cartoon Network would regularly show those cartoons, even more often than the post `48 cartoons.
Trevor, it's not true that Chuck didn't mention Bob in his books, he talked about him a great deal in Chuck Redux.
Also, it's not true that Bob wasn't a good draftsman. Check out those clips of him drawing Cecil and Beany freehand on talk shows with marker, without any contruction, and it looks as good as promotional art.
Jorge: Thanks! And thanks for realizing how important stuff like this is!
ReplyDeleteC'mon Jorge, you think I don't like Clampett's drawings?
ReplyDeleteI didn't say he wasn't a good draftsman, I'm saying that Chuck was skilled enough to do his own layouts, whereas Clampett did not.
Then again, Clampett didn't have the confidence in his animators that Jones had in his ( although he spoke very highly of them ). Not to suggest, though, that Chuck didn't have the best animators at Warners at the time..... there's a reason why Ken Harris is often credited as 'Master Animator'.
By the way, if you've never seen Ken Harris' tour-de-force animation for Richard Williams' The Thief and The Cobbler, then my friend, you are missing out.
- trevor.
PS: I would've sent you a copy of the DVD for it by now, but you never emailed me your address.
About the pre-`48 library: when I was a kid Cartoon Network would regularly show those cartoons, even more often than the post `48 cartoons.
ReplyDeleteJorge,
Trevor and I must be older than you. There was a time when the only way to see the pre-'48 cartoons was on UHF stations. That's the way it was back in the 60's, 70's and most of the 80's.
Cartoon Network didn't come into existence until sometime in the 90's, right?
I guess that's why Clampett did remakes, and reused animation and footage more than any other director at Warners.
ReplyDeleteClampett obviously pushed his animators to more extremes than the other directors did with their animators. Just look at the work Rob Scribner did before and after he worked for Clampett. Robert McKimson's drawings look much more appealing in Clampett's cartoons than in his own as a director.
Plus, Freleng also did remakes and reused footage. Yet the animation in his cartoons pale in comparison to that of the other directors.
Trevor: Clampett never said anything bad about Jones in my presence, even though Jones' name came up a lot. I got the feeling Clampett wished he and Jones could have been friends again.
ReplyDeleteJones on the other hand seemed like a guy who could hold a grudge.
Now Eddie, I wasn't really plying for your thoughts on Johnney Q. But my subject is importune, so I'll drop it.... I caught all the early WB stuff on local independent television in the 70's and 80's, and with the birth of TNT in '89 or so, there was a great resurgence of airing all the old numbers from the lads. It was pretty great. It seems now even more difficult to get ahold of these unless your commited enuff to scour volume after volume of WB dvd's... Jones' monopoly of it all, and his wretched late stylistic development has had me steer clear of the material.
ReplyDeleteWow, those frame grabs really say it all! Clampett was the essence of cartooning times ten, and there's no question the pace of Looney Tunes relaxed after he left the studio. They never again approached the pure, raw energy of the wartime cartoons
ReplyDeleteWhat Milt leaves out is that Clampett left because the new political atmosphere at the studio made it impossible for him to continue there. Without his protector Leon, he was at the mercy of the backstabbing Chuck and Friz. True to form, they spent the rest of their lives playing down Clampett's contribution and significance.
I have to laugh at the stupidity of some of your "anonymous" posters. One unnamed ignoramus suggests that Clampett's innovative cartoons "took the easy way". I'd withhold my name too, If I had so little to offer.
"Blackout gag" cartoons like the Roadrunner series, and formulaic cartoons like the Pepe LePew series are much easier to create, and freed up Jones for the pictures he wanted to spend more time on.
All the directors had "A" films and "B" films, a natural consequence of the realities of assembly line production, and studio budgets and schedules.
Thank you for posting this article, Eddie.
ReplyDeleteBob must have been a swell person to be around, judging from this article and the experiences many artists and directors (Kricfalusi, Sporn, Beck, you, etc.) had spoke of.
Also, IMOP, he is the master of drawing funny, yet goofy looking dogs (such as the one in Porky’s Tire Trouble.) It makes me wonder if he was inspired by Milt Gross.
Back on topic, one of my favorite Clampett stories was when Bob had cracked one-liners to whomever or whenever the opportunity appeared, much like Bugs Bunny.
Also, you should check out the latest Cartoon Brew post that displays two old pictures of Jerry Beck and his one time college, Will Friedwald, spending time with Clampett & Friz Freleng (there was a 'Rabbit Rubbish' bin & an original drawing of Tweety in the background of the Clampett photo, so I wonder who designed and built the bin?)
Once again, thank you for sharing this informative article.
From an inspiring artist/ cartoonist
Incredible post Eddie, and I was really shocked when milt stated that the only director that came close to clampett was tashlin. I recently have just watched a couple of tashlin's for the first time like "Plane Daffy," and , "the case of the stuttering pig," and I think that those cartoons are some of the best wb cartoons ever produced. I always read a lot about Clampett, and how incredible of a director he was, but I also would love to learn more about Tashlin because he made some great animations. His perspectives and compositions, in some shots of the case of the stuttering pigs, were dynamic and added to the cartoon perspective much like Clampett's cartoon, "kitty kornered," and without a doubt I belive he was a huge influence on clampett. In a Tex Avery book that John Canemaker wrote he discussed that Tex thought that Tashlin was the best wb director and since tex helped Clampett rise to his fame, than he definitely told bob to observe the direction that took place in his cartoons and to observe how every perspective shot related to the action of the scene. Tashlin later left warners, like bob, and pursued in a career of live action, but I never really hear his name too much. The directors that I came to repsect from reading yours and john's blog are McKimson and Clampett, and I think those two had a huge impact on me, McKimson's, "Easter Yeggs," is one of my favorites, and if you have any time in the future to post a blog about tashlin I would appreciate it. Thanks again for this post and it's always great to learn about Clampett and his unconventional methods he used in his cartoons.
ReplyDelete“Clampett was an irresponsible renegade who never followed the rules.”
ReplyDeleteIs that an actual quote?
Rules:
24 frames/second
Hit your deadlines.
That's all the rules of animation I can think up.
With all this talk about "Bob Clampett stories" and "Ralph Bakshi stories", I'll bet that 20 years from now there'll be "John Kricfalusi stories"!
ReplyDeleteBob: Tashlin's best cartoons are great, but I'll bet Clampett was more an influence on Tashlin than the other way around. Clampett had more ideas, was more likely to do gags that emerged from personality and acting, had more charisma, etc., etc.
ReplyDeleteWhat is plausible for me is that Tashlin may have learned a lot from Tex as well as Bob, and Tex was flattered by the attention and therefore generous with his flattery. Tashlin's best work is really fun, so I'm glad Tex appreciated it.
I don't think Clampett got the praise he deserved from some of his peers at Warners, but that doesn't surprise me. Shakespeare was often spoke of dismissively by his competitors.
I know people who've worked with John K and are often reluctant to give him the credit he deserves. That's not because these artists are mean or selfish, it's just that John invented so many techniques in so many areas that someone who intended to be fair in his attribution would sound like a complete toady in conversation. My guess is that this is the reason Tex was not more lavish in his praise.
BTW, Did you mean Adamson when you referred to Canemaker?
If Milt is reading this I'd be curious to see what he says about this.
The real Elmer Fudd
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giLmFe3THgs
YAAY! FONTANELLI IS BACK!
ReplyDeleteGood to hear your words, Mike!
You're like the George Carlin of cartoonists to me: you're very intelligent, you know what you like and don't like, and you've got that Back East style which cuts through the bullshit and says what we're all thinking in simple, yet effective words.
Now if only we could convince you to blog more.
- trevor.
PS: I hope you like Carlin, because if not, I just insulted you. If I did, sorry and all that.
Hey Eddie, Canemaker wrote a long foreward in this book about tex avery, http://books.google.com/books?id=W8YNAAAACAAJ&dq=tex+avery&client=safari,
ReplyDeleteI thought it was pretty insightful and a lot of his foreward was used in a documentary about Avery as well. I also read Adamson's, "Tex Avery: King of cartoons," book as well and thought that book was chuck full of information about avery and his cartoons as well. Anyways, I was reading my last post and realized that I wrote that he definitely had an impact on Clampett's perspective that he used in his animation. I could have phrased that part of my comment better, but I did find it interesting that Milt thought that tashlin was the next best director that wb had to offer. I think Clampett had a huge impact on the whole industry and without a doubt, clampett did provide wb with a distinguishable style in both humor and art. These articles are great because they pay a lot of respect to an artist who did not get enough credit for what he has done and I agree with you that many artists don't get the credit that they deserve. All I was curious about was Clampett's relationship to Tashlin. There is a lot of similarities in their cartoons and I was wondering if they could have inspired each other. In Canemaker's foreward, he mentioned that Tex's favorite aspect about Tashlin cartoons is the way he constructs a story by using specific angles/ compositions, in order to emphasize the actions that are taking place during the story as opposed to some other cartoons who use complex perspectives in order to glorify a scene. Many directors take advantage of using perspective as a tool to tell a story, but I think both Tashlin and Clampett did it in many unique ways that further made their cartoons more lively.
I just found this UE. Boy, this is a relief to read after watching the horrid KUNG-FU PANDA.
ReplyDeleteNick: I believe both Freleng and Jones admitted that they wanted to bring the cartoons "back down to earth" after Clampett left. They didn't want the competition so they both made sure Robert McKimson was promoted to director so they would have someone to control. Tis a shame because Clampett gave them an excuse to run for their money. After Clampett left, Jones slowly started to devolve and Freleng even faster.
Eddie I can't believe how perfect this post is..you are a mind reader!!!! I was watching Clampett cartoons nonstop last week so your post was right on time and the icing on the Clampett cake. He is astounding…a phenomenon. Thank you so much for this post!
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ReplyDeleteFreleng DID admit that they wanted to reign the characters in after they lost their 'high power' directors. I can't remember with whom, but he said this very openly in a written interview.
- trevor.
Trvour: Thanks, I know I heard about that some were.
ReplyDeleteI am also going to have to play devil advocate here and disagree about Virgil Ross in this article. Now this is going by observation but I feel that Ross's animation differed very little between Bob's and Friz's cartoons. The only wacky animation I remember he did was Bugs popping out of his whole and tying that dog to a tree in Clampett's CORNY CONCERTO. I think Ross wanted to leave Clampett because he simply found Friz's tone of cartroons more accustomed to his own personal taste, not because he wanted a lesser work load.
"Virgil Ross, an excellent animator, admitted many years later that although he liked Bob and admired his work, he just wasn’t willing to do all the ambitious things that Bob always asked for, and so Virgil volunteered to be traded into the Freleng unit where the standards were much lower and the work much easier."
ReplyDeleteHe didn't say his work was better under Clampett. He said Ross wasn't willing to do it. Because it was too much work.
IDRC: That's what i don't agree on. How exacly was the work harder for Virgil with Clampett ? I don't see what he did for Clampett taht he didn't do for Freleng.
ReplyDeleteFrom a 1989 interview with Virgil Ross...
ReplyDelete"I was with [Clampett] for about a year. Actually, we didn't hit it off too well. I didn't seem to have what he wanted most of the time. I worked on COAL BLACK the year I was with him, and I think it was one of the best things I ever worked on. I just didn't feel the same with him as I had with Tex. He was a nice enough fellow, and he was good, no doubt about that. I never really knew where I stood with him, but he turned out a lot of good pictures.
There was a fellow over in Friz Freleng's unit who wanted to come over to Bob's [not sure who this would be, possibly Manny Gould], and they made us switch. It turned out to be the best thing that could have happened to me. I was with Friz for twenty of the thirty years I was with Warner Bros."
How exacly was the work harder for Virgil with Clampett ? I don't see what he did for Clampett taht he didn't do for Freleng.
ReplyDeleteClampett wanted a higher caliber of work that Ross was not willing to do. He didn't do it. That's why you can't see it. Therefore, he was a better match for Friz, who never even asked him to do it.
Sounds like all of this conflicts with the source!
ReplyDeleteBTW, some Virgil Ross under Clampett moments: Beaky meeting Bugs Bunny ("Uh-nope, don't tell me!"), Prince Chawmin bouncing out of his car, Bugs and Cecil Turtle on the cover of the newspaper, the Hep Cat's 'Java Jive' dance...
Wow, yeah, that's the work of someone not willing to step up to bat. Hope you Ross bashers like the taste of shit.
Nobody is bashing Ross. I'm going to great lengths to correctly characterize what I read. On the point of whether Ross's work was in fact better with Clampett, I offer no view. I'm not that familiar with a list of his scenes, but it would not surprise me, in fact it should be true, even if he didn't like doing it, which he seems to say is the case.
ReplyDeleteIDRC: I have seen his work for Clampett aand I have seen very little that was tremendously better then his work with Friz.
ReplyDeleteWhat lack of praise for Clampett cartoons? There's too much if you ask me! If I had a penny for every masturbatory blog post I've read about how Clampett "saved" the studio, or how Friz is the devil...
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